I think Cross Cycle from 2FL works well as an extension to "Cross Flip".

"Dancers screw it up" is not usually a great reason to remove a call. It's very easy to dance if taught correctly.

The call is hard for the dancers since the ends need to wait for the centers.

I'm not sure what "not seem popular" means. I hear callers use it all the time.

If dropped, I wouldn't miss it.

Diagonal Boxes are useful from 12-matrix and split phantom formations. Just because they can be awkward from a 2x4 doesn't mean they're awkward everywhere.

I agree with Vic on this and frequently use them in phantom setups.

I agree with Vic.

this is a very cool call. I'd hate to see it dropped.

I view this as different from other calls and therefore worth keeping for variety.

I agree with Vic and Sue. It is also very commonly used.

Own the centers couple up by walk and dodge is a LOT more words.

Ends work Stable, (All) Couple Up is another option. This may be a matter of personal taste, but the definition just jumps out at me as pointless and better called other ways. I'm not necessarily in favor of dropping all calls that can be called some other way.

I think this call does add value, as it's a quick and easy way to turn a wave into a 2-faced line, which isn't provided by many other calls.

Don´t need this call. Dancers don´t remember which part to do.

To me, these concepts fit naturally on C3B with Secondly, Thirdly, etc. Some examples can be difficult, but they can also provide the right level of difficulty for emphasizing teamwork skills. However, I do admit that they can be somewhat redundant, as callers could use other terms such as "Initially & Thirdly", if that is what they want.

"Random" and "Reverse Random" and their new versions "Oddly" and "Evenly" have been on the C3B list for a very long time. I think they go nicely with the other parts concepts.

I agree that most uses are either better called as Split Recycle or are awkward. Really the only useful application is a couple facing out, which overflows for the belle.

Agree, can be dropped.

Agree, can be dropped

this call is quite useful, and it would be cumbersome to have to call it via the 'Own' concept.

I like this call. It can be called from any arrangement of facing directions, including any t-bones, and always moves the dancers one spot clockwise, so they never end on the same spot as another dancer. Also, the name is at least reasonably intuitive.

It gives variety since it can be done from any box.

I do use these, and I like having a complete set of split phantom formations. This adds to the variety of calls we can use from split phantom lines/columns/boxes. This is one of the key ways that C3B is more challenging and more interesting than C3A.

I disagree that they are limited usage. I think these go nicely with the introduction of split phantom boxes.

I use this call regularly and it doesn't bother me, either as a caller or as a dancer. I'd much rather keep this than, for example, Good Show.

I've never felt this call was bad as a dancer.

Trapezoids are very useful from Split Phantom formations.

I agree with Vic on this and frequently use them in phantom setups.

I agree with Vic, and trapezoids are very commonly used.

A hard concept. It'd be better to have quadruple lines working on C3B.

This concept can be hard, but there are also many easy examples, similar to the way Split Phantom concepts are used at C3A. I'm not in favor of dropping this concept just because a few callers may use it with poor judgment. And I certainly don't expect any lack of judgment to be suddenly improved if we replace Triple Lines Working with Quadruple Lines Working instead.

This concept has always seemed out of place, because we don't introduce other new triple concepts at this level (while we do introduce quadruple formations), and also don't allow triple columns or boxes. I would support removing it entirely and just leaving all of the "working" concepts to C-4.

I think we shall keep Triple Lines/Waves Working. If quadruple formation is added, triple formation will be used by callers also. Even if it is not on the list.

it's up to the caller to provide good usage of "Z"s. Distorted box formations (such as Diagonal Boxes, Trapezoids, and "Z"s) are useful for identifying dancer spots within phantom formations.

I agree with Vic that distorted box concepts are in general quite useful to provide variety in combination with a series of split phantom calls. However, among the distorted box concepts, Z's are my least favorite, as it is often quite difficult for dancers to find the Z's in a square where even one dancer is out of place. This tends to result in a lot of tedious cuing.

I agree with Vic. I think that Z's are interesting specifically because they add challenge to identifying the formation. Also since Z's are introduced originally at Plus, it's nice to finally have some additional application for them other than just things like "Peel the Top".

it is different, I would keep it.

I'd like to remove triple working and add quadruple working.

I understand the temptation to add these concepts, as I do enjoy using them at C4 and they provide a lot of variety. But I don't think they are appropriate for the typical C3B dancer. The argument that Quadruples are easier than Triples is over-stated. This can be true for some calls and some dancers, but other dancers simply have much more trouble keeping track of their position in a larger setup.

I would like to have quadruple working on C3B.

This is a quite difficult concept that is also rarely used; I wouldn't add yet another explicit concept to the C3B list for this.

The dancers likes echo. Double and reverse echo will not be to hard to understand.

This is an easy extension that most dancers understand even without much workshopping.

Easy to understand. Have tried it on lower levels with good result.

This is a good addition to C3B.

"Use" is really the C-1 "replace" concept just with different wording. I would suggest putting these on C-1 since "replace" already exists there and "use" does not add any new functionality, and "add" is a simple extension to that. I would definitely not put them on C-3B because it duplicates the "replace" concept across two levels for no benefit.

Already using this on C3B.

This concept can get complicated, especially with stacked concepts or fractional numbers. I would leave it on C-4.

Good addition to C3B.

Most applications of triple working is already too hard for the average C3B dancers.

Personally, I don't enjoy this call, and I think we have many better suggestions for addition. Also note that there is a "But" variation that does not follow the standard rules. ("But" means the centers replace the last TWO parts)

Dancers like calls where they can yell.

This particular set of parts consistently works well with a wide range of commonly used concepts. For example, any of the concepts Initially, Secondly, Thirdly, Finally, Oddly, or Evenly can be used with "Tandem" or "Centers" on this call.

This is a very nice, short, multi-part call that would be useful to use with all of the "part" concepts at C3B (and much less annoying than change the wave/centers).

This is a good addition to C3B. A lot of variations.

After calling and dancing this call a lot in the last 2 years, I've decided I really do not like dancing it and will be calling it very rarely going forward. Again just my opinion, but dancing it is yucky.

I agree that the unmodified call is somewhat tedious for the dancer, but the opportunities for use with fractions, meta-concepts, and generous/stingy are really outstanding. That makes it a reasonable fit for C3B, and a good topic for a vote.

It is useful as a multi-part call, but it also can be quite disorientating. I would prefer to leave this at C-4.

Hinge and Cross is already short and easy to say. No need to add a specific call for it, and not particularly useful broken into parts.

I've been using these calls at C3B for a long time, and dancers always knows what to do.

Add note that part of this proposal becomes moot if Z's are dropped entirely.

I agree with Vic, at least for Zs. I think it is less common (and less useful) to use with 3 by 1 triangles, but there's nothing wrong with generalizing "reverse flip".

I'm not opposed to adding this, but please note it has some tricky applications. 3/4 is popular, but it is not a 4-part call. From some formations, dancers who feel like they are ending on the same spot need to take left hands because they are taking an outside path.

Also note that 3/4 Run Wild from a 2FL ends in offset miniwaves, which is a more difficult application. There are no other calls at this level that end in such a fashion.

Add a note that this proposal becomes moot if Cross Cycle is dropped entirely.

This should really be on C-1.

Split the Difference is usually laughed at as a pointless call. The Difference by itself is ok, but we already have quite a few calls defined as a series of arm turns, so this doesn't add much in terms of variety.

I agree that this feels more like a "time wasting" call, especially since the normal version is a zero. I think given the annoying number of calls like "change the wave/centers" at C3B we don't need to add another one.

I agree with Rob.

Good call to use with initially/finally/reverse order

This call has the unusual property that dancers need to re-evaluate after the hinge. The call can be done from an isolated line/wave or an isolated box, in which case the counter rotate is done within the group of four. However, from a 2x4, dancers end up working within their original 1x4, not their 2x2.