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  1. #1 Dancer
  2. 1/4 and 3/4 Box
  3. Clump
  4. Delimiters in calls/concepts requiring more than one argument
  5. Facing Stars
  6. Formation: 1/4 <anything>
  7. Left vs. Reverse
  8. New calls
  9. Partners in Ocean Wave
  10. Same spot crashing with a "Left" call
  11. Square Breathing
  12. Unusual Uses at Challenge
  13. Who is a Neighbor?
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    #1 Dancer
     
    On your site for A1 I have seen "#1 dancer". What does that mean?

    There are two uses for this terminology.

    1. From Columns, dancers are numbered with respect to their position within the column.

      #1 is the Out-Facing End;
      #2 is the Out-Facing Center;
      #3 is the In-Facing Center;
      #4 is the In-Facing End;
    2. #1 dancer could also refer to any dancer who originally squared up as Couple #1. However, on our site, I believe we explicity refer to either the #1 Boy or the #1 Girl.

    last modified: 06-October-2007   ID: 680
      
      
      
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    1/4 and 3/4 Box
     
    In your C1 & C2 S/D manual, I came across a reference to both a 1/4 & 3/4 box setup (triple cross pp196). These are formations which I cannot find explicitly described either in your text or any other, such as Clark Baker's S/D Handbook. Could you provide any source for these formations, and some reasoning as to their naming. Any info you can provide would be most appreciated.

    These formations are (perhaps not well) described at the bottom of page 'x' and the top of page 'xi' in our C1/C2 book.

    The name of these formations derives from a 1/4 Tag formation, the formation obtained from a Squared Set after Heads Pass The Ocean.

    A 1/4 Tag is a Wave between Outside Couples Facing In.

    A 3/4 Tag is a Wave between Outside Couples Facing Out.

    A 1/4 Box is a Box between Outside Couples Facing In. (e.g., From a Squared Set after Heads Touch 1/4).

    A 3/4 Box is a Box between Outside Couples Facing Out.

    A 1/4 Line is a (Two-Faced) Line between Outside Couples Facing In. (e.g., From a Squared Set after Heads As Couples Touch 1/4).

    A 3/4 Line is a (Two-Faced) Line between Outside Couples Facing Out.

    And, a 1/4 Diamond is a Diamond between Outside Couples Facing In.

    And so on, and so on...

    ID: 574
      
      
      
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    Clump
     
    What is a "clump"?

    A Clump is a 16-Matrix Offset 2x4. I.e., two boxes totally offset.

    Usually,

    XX++
    XX++
    ++XX
    ++XX

    Assuming 'X' represents a dancer, this formation is referred to as a clump.

    Occasionally, a clump can also be:

    XX++++XX
    XX++++XX

    or

    XX++XX
    XX++XX

    etc.

    ID: 276
      
      
      
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    Delimiters in calls/concepts requiring more than one argument
     
    How do you phrase it when calling Hinge By? Hinge By x BY...By etc. -- or Hinge By x AND...And etc?

    What about Interlace? Interlace a WITH b or Interlace a AND b?

    I don't use delimiters with "Hinge By".
    I say "Hinge By 1-2-2-1" or something of that nature.

    For Interlace, I use "With".

    As long as we're on the subject...

    SANDWICH a AROUND b

    CHECKPOINT a BY b
    REVERSE CHECKPOINT a BY b
    TRACE a BY b
    OWN THE a BY b
    SLANT a BY b
    TOUCH AND GO a BY b
    TOUCH BY a BY b
    TOUCH TONE a BY b
    VEER AND TURN a BY b

    ROLLING RIPPLE a BY b (BY c)

    INTERRUPT a AFTER/BEFORE b WITH c
    a REPLACE b WITH c

    ANCHOR THE a FOR (A) b
    DRAG THE a FOR (A) b
    IGNORE THE a FOR (A) b
    PREFER THE a FOR (A) b

    ID: 589
      
      
      
  5.  
    Facing Stars
     
    In variations involving a "diamond-type" star (on unusual Motivates, Chain Reactions, etc.), which shoulders should people pass when turning the star?

    If I am the one hinged in, in turning the star 1/4 I prefer to keep outboard of those that did the Jaywalk so as to keep clear of those who will be finishing with the Cast Off 3/4.

    What do you feel is the correct way to dance the call in terms of the diamond-star traffic flow?

    I believe the correct answer is "right-shoulders", "right-shoulders", and "right-shoulders" when turning a facing star. I believe this is easier for the dancers to remember, and technically you're supposed to be in a Star not a Diamond (hence dancers are equidistant from the center of the star, and turning the star would have them collide, so the right-shoulder rule applies). I would also wonder what would happen if the star was to turn 1/2 and you wanted to pass left-shoulders once and then right-shoulders next.

    ID: 334
      
      
      
  6.  
    Formation: 1/4 <anything>
     
    I had an argument with someone who is studying to be a caller. I said that when you have a two faced line in the center and a couple facing in on the ends, that is called a quarter tag formation. He said that it is only a quarter tag formation if there is a wave in the center, not any other type of line.

    Also, what if you have a wave or some sort of a line in the center and miniwaves at the ends. That is not a quarter tag nor is it a three quarter tag formation. What is it called?

    A 1/4 Tag with a Wave in the middle and In-Facing Couples is called a "1/4 Tag". If the Wave is right-handed, it is a "R-H 1/4 Tag"; if left-handed, a "L-H 1/4 Tag".

    A 1/4 Tag with a 2FL and In-Facing Couples is a "1/4 Line". If there is a Diamond in the middle, it is a "1/4 Diamond".

    If the outsides are Out-Facing Couples, we have a "3/4 Tag", "3/4 Line", or "3/4 Diamond".

    If the outsides are in a Mini-Wave, we have a "Generalized 1/4 Tag, Line, or Diamond".

    That's all folks!

    ID: 464
      
      
      
  7.  
    Left vs. Reverse
     
    This past weekend, you called Left Dixie Style to a Wave several times. I use this frequently (usually at Plus and above, rarely with poor Mainstreamers :-) ) as REVERSE Dixie Style to a Wave. I correlate the call as Flutterwheel/Reverse Flutterwheel, Dixie Style/Reverse Dixie Style.

    Any thoughts on what would be a more correct use?

    Being a challenge caller, I have an aversion to using the term 'Reverse' to mean 'do the mirror image of the call'.

    Lacking the technically proper term (i.e., 'Mirror'), I selected the next best term, 'Left'. 'Left' is consistent with 'Left Fan The Top', 'Left Touch 1/4', etc. I mean, would you ever say 'Reverse Touch 1/4'???

    'Reverse' has problems in that it has no precise meaning. 'Reverse' can mean any of the following: Mirror, In Reverse Order, Rewind, Leaders do the Trailers part and vice-versa, and a few other usages (e.g., Reverse The Diamond [Centers Trade the Wave as Others U-Turn Back, converts R-H Diamonds to L-H Diamonds and vice-versa]).

    Anyway, I cued the call as "Boys Lead Left Dixie Style to a Wave, Left Pull By then Right Touch 1/4 with the Girl, swing the Girl into the Center" (or something to that effect), so it was, in my most humble opinion, unambiguous what I wanted.

    ID: 349
      
      
      
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    New calls
     
    Is there any good place where new calls can be found?

    I answer questions about calls within my FAQ database at http://www.ceder.net/faqdb/view.php?section=7&category=31

    I allow people to submit new ideas to my Experimental Calls and Concepts database at http://www.ceder.net/experimentals/view.php

    ID: 331
      
      
      
  9.  
    Partners in Ocean Wave
     
    Who is your partner in an Ocean Wave?

    This (sometimes controversial) issue pops up every so often.

    From any general line (one-faced, two-faced, 3&1, or a WAVE), Partners are generally defined as the Ends and Adjacent Centers. This holds true for calls such as PARTNER HINGE, PARTNER TRADE, and PARTNER TAG.

    This is the "Formation"-relative Partner, who may or may not be your original Partner, and could even be dancing the same Role (i.e., Boy or Girl).

    For the purposes of call such as RIGHT AND LEFT GRAND, and LEFT ALLEMANDE, you need to look at the 8-dancer formation as a "Circle", and the Boy's partner is the lady counter-clockwise around the circular formation.

    And, of course, not all callers may subscribe to this, nor understand it. So, bottom line, do what your caller wants. :-)

    last modified: 06-November-2019   ID: 794
      
      
      
  10.  
    Same spot crashing with a "Left" call
     
    When two dancers "crash" to the same spot, do they always step to right hands? What if the call is Left <anything>? Thank you.

    If the call is "Mirror <anything>", dancers definitely crash with left hands.

    On "Left <anything>", it is not clear what happens. E.g., from Tandem Couples: Left Pitch 1/2 Circulate.

    last modified: 04-January-2007   ID: 630
      
      
      
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    Square Breathing
     
    From Parallel Waves e.g. Heads Square Thru + all Swing Thru, do you train the dancers to close up the formation so that there is no space between the two waves?

    At Plus and below, I don't worry much about it. I tell my Plus dancers to keep their squares tight, but it usually doesn't do much good.

    At Challenge, I expect dancers to dance this way. If you ever get a chance to watch a C4 floor, you will notice that they close up the spaces after each call. Challenge dancers need to close up the gap or they might breakdown on the next call.

    I'm going to start an A1 class in January or February, and I expect to drill the dancers on keeping their squares tight. I will try to train them to close up their formations.

    On a recent trip to England, I was impressed when I called Promenade Home. Most squares had all the Boys in a very tight (good looking) Star. The Boys were all sticking their left-elbows up, trying to touch the points to make a Star. I asked them later why their Promenade looked so sharp, and they explained that one of their callers teaches the Boys to touch elbows. The dancers in this particular club were, in jest, trying to over-emphasize the elbows-up part, and in doing so, made some very nice looking tight Stars.

    As long as I'm on the 'European-styling' soap box, here's another thing about the European dancers that impressed me:

    The dancers can actually do the call Circle To A Line! There is no such thing as 'slide out to a line'. When you call 'Heads Lead Right, Circle To A Line', they do something similar to what I'm about to describe (I don't know exactly how they do it, but someday I intend to find out)

    On the call Circle To A Line, they join hands in the group of 4,
    On beat 1, they raise their hands in the air on beat 1 and start circling;
    On beat 2 they lower their hands and continue circling;
    On beat 3 they raise their hands and continue circling;
    On beat 4 they lower their hands and the appropriate (Head) man breaks;
    On beat 5 the Sides raise their hands; and
    On beat 6, the (Side) Girl twirls under.

    This styling looks very sharp.

    ID: 136
      
      
      
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    Unusual Uses at Challenge
     
    There are probably a lot of mainstream calls in which unusual uses don't come up until the challenge level. Are there any generally recognized written resources for resolving questions like the foregoing?

    Unusual uses of calls is often discussed on the Challenge-Sd mailing list. To subscribe send a message to majordomo@dmshome.org with the line subscribe challenge-sd in the body.

    Clark Baker is working with Callerlab, trying to write a set of technical definitions.

    We're also slowly working on a set of web-based definitions. A few have been completed so far.

    ID: 124
      
      
      
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    Who is a Neighbor?
     
    The term "Neighbor" is used in several square dance references, but I can't find a precise definition of "Neighbor".

    By inference - one possible definition extracted from "Follow Your Neighbor" is "the Person next to you before you started to a particular move". This would be a good enough definition for my needs. But I'm curious to find out if there is an agreed definition.

    As I recall, there was an attempt 30 years ago or so to define Neighbors as the two adjacent dancers in a Wave, because, ???of course???, those facing the same direction were clearly Partners.

    This notion has definitely fallen out of use today. In my opinion, all challenge dancers/callers, and most advanced dancers/callers are taught that from a Wave, the ends and adjacent dancers are Partners (in the formation). This is necessary for calls such as Partner Tag.

    These URLs (old definitions) mention "Neighbors":

    http://www.ceder.net/oldcalls/viewsingle.php?RecordId=1776
    http://www.ceder.net/oldcalls/viewsingle.php?RecordId=692

    last modified: 15-May-2016   ID: 713
      
      
      

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